Jasun: To the extent that I go around telling people that I’m autistic, which isn’t much, but to the extent that I do, it’s because I want to talk to people about autism, I want people to become more aware that we’re out there, we’re extraterrestrials, or shamanic people, or just freaks, or whatever you want to call us doesn’t really matter, but we are out there and we are different from other people and we have a valid experience and perception of reality that is not being acknowledged, it’s just being labeled as a disability or as schizophrenia, or as woo-woo, as spiritualty which is kind of equally dismissive label, but it’s not.
We have a valid, authentic experience that, I’ve come up with this term for it, which is “extra-consensual perception” which is perception that’s outside the consensus. So if you’re a kid and you see spirits and you see entities, you see dead people, you see fairies, whatever it is, then adults tell you “That’s just your imagination.” You have an intense vision and they tell you, “It’s just a nightmare, it’s OK, there’s no such thing as monsters.” Adults uphold a consensus that what you’re perceiving is not real, because your perception is outside the consensus. But it’s really, it’s extra-consensual perception.
If you don’t learn to shut down your extra-consensual perception and filter out all of that stuff, that stuff that’s called mystical or magical or whatever, then you get diagnosed, you’re a schizophrenic, you’re autistic, or at best, you’re a visionary artist like Blake.
Mark: It’s expected for it to be filtered, yeah.
Jasun: It’s necessary, it becomes, in order to communicate with and function among ordinary humans, we have to learn to filter that stuff out. And if we’re really effective, we don’t see it anymore and we end up thinking it was all just imaginary.
Mark: Yeah, yeah because one can forget that you’ve had those experiences.
Jasun: Absolutely. I don’t remember my first seven years and I think that was partly why, because I was totally in the ECP realm. I wasn’t perceiving time as we perceive it, as adults perceive it, linear time, and I wasn’t perceiving physical objects in the same way. I was perceiving things differently outside of that agreement that this is the way that the world is. So then autists are, I believe, people who are not able to, and/or have chosen not to, shut down their extra-consensual perceptions and join the consensus. They can’t join, they can’t fit, and so then they can’t function within it and so, apparently they’re retarded. But that’s just the outer. What’s going on inside, nobody knows.
Mark: Yeah, yeah. I am starting to wonder, how many recluses, types, there are that probably aren’t connecting to other people, that maybe… just basic presence of loneliness, I can see how that can be part of being autistic, which is one of the negative sides to it.
Mark: Mmm. I can see that happening. Hermits, all these stigmas attached to it.
Jasun: I would say that you and I, more obvious in your case in certain ways, are like go-between people. We’re bridge people. We’re able to actually walk in both worlds: the world of the autistic, isolate, alienated, who can’t actually function or communicate, and the world of ordinary people who have just learned to shut that down completely. And there’s two different worlds, and autism is being called an epidemic now, like a plague, like an invasion (they haven’t used the word invasion, I would use that word more), but the awareness that there are these different kinds of people in the world is becoming much more urgent, and it’s of course being seen through the neurotypical consensus view as something negative, something that has to be stopped, that has to be fixed, that has to be cured. But it’s not that.
That’s a complete distortion of what’s actually happening, which is that the whole system of the human consciousness is trying to restore balance to itself, all that we’ve shut out and disowned and repressed has to come out, the awareness of that hidden world of the dead and of the spirit, has to be acknowledged. So the portion that has been disowned or denied of all of that perception is being taken up by these children who are being born, they’re having to pick up the slack for the rest of the species, and acknowledge what’s actually there.